• Cogliano to Anaheim

    by Tyler Dellow • July 12, 2011 • Post, Uncategorized • 18 Comments

    I have been pretty much completely and utterly soured on Cogliano since this quote from September of last fall:

    We just found last year, with the amount of older guys and guys who have been here for a long time, it was tough for guys like me, even though three years is quite a bit of time, to step up and say something and have a guy who has been here for 10 years to really listen…

    It feels like there is an even playing field. There aren’t guys that you maybe want to be quiet around or you’re shy or not comfortable around because they’re older or you just have nothing in common with them.

    Hopefully Cogliano is able to find something in common with all of those guys roughly his age in Anaheim who have playoff experience.

    After being kissed by the shooting percentage gods early in his career, they’ve looked on his efforts with disfavour over the past few years. He was never ever able to figure out faceoffs and isn’t cut out to be a winger – faceoffs might of little relevance, but you don’t survive at 40% in the NHL. Reinventing himself as a checker didn’t really seem to be paying off, particularly because he didn’t seem to have learned much about the defensive side of the game in four NHL seasons.

    As for the return, it strikes me as pretty good, although I think NHL GMs tend to overpay for guys like this. As we all dream of how awesome the team is going to be once it’s rebuilt, it’s worth remembering that prospects don’t always turn into anything useful.

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    18 Responses to Cogliano to Anaheim

    1. Showerhead
      July 12, 2011 at

      I have to be honest, I’m surprised you used a quote to justify your reasons for souring on the guy. All sorts of good hockey players have demonstrated character flaws over the course of time and have been part of winning teams.

      Cogliano may never amount to much and surely, anything he’ll amount to will be easily attainable on the trade/FA market if Edmonton decides they’re desperately in need of Marchant with hands but without the hockey IQ and also kind of without the hands. That said, I wonder if Edmonton couldn’t have gotten more than a 2nd for him. I’d expect at least one GM in the league would see upside in a guy his age (like you say, people tend to overpay for guys like him)

    2. Showerhead
      July 12, 2011 at

      Accidentally tabbed onto the “submit” button and pressed space. Whoops.

      To finish the thought, I was hoping a GM would see enough upside in a guy his age, ignore the percentages behind his early seasons, and offer a warm body on D that might improve the mess back there. I guess that’s either wishful thinking or the draft pick is intended to be used as currency for the same.

    3. Showerhead
      July 12, 2011 at

      Also, while I’m here: a couple people mentioned that the impact of PK faceoffs might change from your findings if you used all of them instead of just the 1st. What are your thoughts on this? My guess is that you take a look at it and some point but I don’t think I saw you confirm as much in the comments.

    4. Woodguy
      July 12, 2011 at

      Seeing as he would be making about the same $ as Ryan Jones, I’d rather have Cogliano as 4RW than Jones.

      All in all a meh return for a meh player, but by signing Jones and getting rid of Cogliano the team is worse than if they never re-signed Jones and kept Cogliano.

      Even if they traded Cogliano, didn’t re-sign Jones and put a cardboard cutout at 4RW they’d be better off than having Jones on the roster.

      The Jones contract is the gift that keeps on taking.

    5. Hemmertime
      July 12, 2011 at

      I didn’t like how in Oil Change he was complaining about ice time to Ralph Krueger.

    6. Tyler Dellow
      July 12, 2011 at

      I didn’t see that as complaining. He wanted more responsibility; good for him. Unfortunately, he was nowhere near good enough to deserve it.

      RE: disliking him because of that comment. I also dislike him for sucking. That comment is the height of emo though.

    7. Dogisland95
      July 12, 2011 at

      Cogs showed more grit that 89 did last year but he is lost when he crosses the blue line with the puck, poor face off % and now he is a Duck. Quack! Quack! He’ll be back twice a year.

    8. RiversQ
      July 12, 2011 at

      I disagree Tyler. I can’t stand Cogliano either (in fact I dislike him immensely for all the same reasons you do) but I see this as another terrible deal. They’re pushing things off again. Turning tangible assets of some NHL value into should be’s, could be’s, and never will be’s that may or may not arrive when the team is good.

      I won’t repost my stuff from LT’s Romper Room, but the guy isn’t even highly paid especially relative to the bottom of the Oilers’ roster.

      Vic said it best a few days ago – we’ll trade him when he’s finally starting to get it a little bit?

    9. godot10
      July 12, 2011 at

      Mike Cammalleri is a little guy who found his way to the weight room, and has the intelligence to figure out a role for himself in the NHL.

      Cogliano, on the other hand, wimpy and confused. One-trick pony. He’s fast. And he’s ben going nowhere fast for four years.

    10. dawgbone
      July 12, 2011 at

      I don’t like the deal… not because the return isn’t okay (it is), or because Cogliano is great (he isn’t).

      But he seems to be a decent PKer and not a bad 4th line option and doesn’t cost a heck of a lot.

      I’d have liked this trade more if, like showerhead said, it brought back a guy who could step into the top 4 on D, even a guy who is overpaid.

    11. Mr DeBakey
      July 12, 2011 at

      I try not to get too revved about quotes that appear in the media.

      Often the question isn’t provided, and the wording of the response usually [or often] matches the words used in the question.

      Plus, you don’t know how many words the quoter got wrong and how may words the quoter didn’t pass along.

      If I recall, that Cogliano gem came from a “new culture” story last fall. We were all being advised how great it was that malignant forces like Moreau, Staios and Souray were no longer haunting the Oiler’s dressing room.

    12. Kris
      July 12, 2011 at

      I think he has some serious problems as a player that kill his potential.

      He’s fast on a straight-away, blazing fast, but he’s not a good skater in a lot of other ways.

    13. July 13, 2011 at

      I know you’ve harped a few times on former players (particularly Pronger) and their assessments of Edmonton’s strength and conditioning regiments, and when I saw this interview with Dustin Penner that Quisp posted on Jewels From The Crown, it looked to me like a bit of a confirmation of that:

      http://lakingsinsider.com/2011/07/12/penner-talks-about-summer-workouts-expectations/

      PENNER: “Now it’s pretty much an 8 (a.m.) to 2 (p.m.) job. I think a lot of guys who come from other teams, we share that feeling that we weren’t used to this type of intensity. But it’s definitely (a good thing). I think you can attribute some of their start last season [12-3 in the first 15 games] to the training they did in the offseason. With the team we’ve got this year, and everybody on the same page as far as that goes, we will be tough to stop.”

    14. The Other John
      July 13, 2011 at

      Think I am a pretty consistent critic of management but I do not think Simon Bennett and the conditioning programs by the Oilers was Dustin’s problem. It was the frequent stops at Tim Horton’s for Tim Bits. An in shape Penner could be a very impressive player

    15. Dennis
      July 13, 2011 at

      You can see the slotting right now for the top six wingers – maybe even top nine or at least for now with 23 still here – but that doesn’t mean that 13 couldn’t have been given a shot to be in that group provided he could be a primo PKer and didn’t become too expensive.

      and maybe the last point is the one that matters; but it wouldn’t matter as much if 28 hadn’t been given real money.

      I don’t think he’ll ever be a pivot because he can’t win draws and he gets turned around too easily on coverage in his own zone but I’m not ready to say just yet that he won’t be useful.

    16. Vic Ferrari
      July 15, 2011 at

      Yeah, they’re betting against the percentages again. Cogliano’s underlying numbers, and play by eye, have improved a lot since he was a rookie. The hockey gods that threw him high in the air in the halcyon days… they have lost their desire for Andrew. He’s been thrown to the ground and boot stomped by these fickle SOBs.

      The “He’s had three rookie seasons” narrative has power, Lain has shown us that, but it just isn’t true. And every time he says something like that Hrudey, Millen and Pang grow stronger.

      Having said that, the guy was never easy to like as a person, at least not by my sense of it. And the Cogliano fanboys from his rookie year wore me right down to the raw nerve. So I’m not shedding any tears.

    17. FastOil
      July 16, 2011 at

      Cogliano to me has always seemed like he feels he’s getting the short end of the stick in Edmonton. I think he still believes he’s top 6 but just hasn’t had his shot.

      Although I agree he is a better option than Jones, I can’t imagine he would buy into another demotion, and so had to go. Many players need a trade to take a step forward.

      As Rivers said, this asset was wasted. ST may have got market value, but essentially he turned a first rounder into a second. First round picks are gold, the life blood of an organization because they cost nothing and are high quality. Wasting them wastes the organization.

      I can support a sink or swim approach with later round picks, place the onus on them. First round picks need to be placed in a position to succeed, or in a position to have the appearance of succeeding, to keep maximum value.

      If you are not sure about a player, pump him up and move him, or for the mom’s out there, “pump and dump”. Being indecisive to the point of the player washing out or being found out I think is really harmful to the team’s base of equity.

      Building that equity provides the currency to get quality where you want and need it without losing it somewhere else as the only option.

      If Gagner doesn’t cover is bet, Cogliano becoming an elite top 6 perhaps could have more value.

    18. kinger
      July 19, 2011 at

      $2.1M, $2.35M and $2.67M.

      $2.39M Cap hit.

      Wow.

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