• Understanding what’s beneath Damien Cox

    by Tyler Dellow • November 26, 2010 • Uncategorized • 30 Comments

    My favourite part (other than Mirtle towering over the assembled reporters) is when Damien Cox responds to a point that I made by calling it “ignorant and misinformed” and saying “…that it’s beneath anybody who’s in the business to even respond to.” There’s a huge chunk of the world that operates on principles that require you to recuse yourself from situations in which you have a relationship that might affect your judgment. I wouldn’t have even thought that this was a controversial idea, let alone one that might be beneath someone responding to. Maybe he’s just too busy to think about it, what with his books and his column.

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    30 Responses to Understanding what’s beneath Damien Cox

    1. lowetide
      November 26, 2010 at

      That was very interesting, thanks for posting it Tyler. I would like to ask for some confirmation about Damien Cox and his position in this report.

      What is he saying exactly? I’m serious. No idea.

    2. November 26, 2010 at

      Damien Cox should give the Oilers a call and let them know your primary purpose is to cheer for the team.

      I’m sure they’ll be glad to know that.

      I also loved Cox’s take on Brodeur.

    3. November 26, 2010 at

      Lowetide: I wish I knew, I was distracted the entire time by the mustache.

    4. Woodguy
      November 26, 2010 at

      I really like the editor of the piece.

      Please debate this on tv with Mr. Cox.

      Please?

    5. David Staples
      November 26, 2010 at

      Doesn’t sound to me like Damien Cox has never covered a trial or gone through court documents. . . Or maybe I should phone him up first before I make such an allegation ;)

      But stories come out of court and stand alone in stories, as facts or allegations from the court process.

      Of course, Tyler could have sought comment from Campbell, and that might well have made his story better, but it wasn’t a journalistic imperative, given the source of the stength of his original research.

      And, as with all writers, if Tyler was wrong or defamatory, he would be open to a lawsuit, as he is well aware. He uses his name, he’s a real person, so all this stuff about there not being consequences for him is baloney.

    6. November 27, 2010 at

      I think I missed the explanation for how Tyler being an Oilers fan discredits his reporting on Colin Campbell’s supervision of refereeing of teams not the Oilers and disciplining of players who’ve never been Oilers.

    7. November 27, 2010 at

      Would love to see an actual debate between the parties interviewed. I’d definitely attend/watch.

    8. November 27, 2010 at

      Cox is a terrible loser that will tell any lie imaginable in order to avoid admitting that he’s wrong.

      This is compounded by the fact that he’s wrong most of the time.

    9. November 27, 2010 at

      I took the question “what’s beneath Damien Cox?” at face value and my gut replied “nothing”.

      That bit where he accuses ANYBODY ELSE of tearing people down is a fucking joke when you consider some of the shit he sells as columns. The name Jose Bautista springs to mind, given how Cox smeared his reputation with unsubstantiated allegations of steroid use. What a hypocrite.

    10. MILt the STilt
      November 27, 2010 at

      Wow! Had no idea Cox was so ignorant.

      On a side note, that mustache is really working for him– figure of “authority”, and all. Ha!

    11. November 27, 2010 at

      Cox struck me in that segment as nothing more than a relic, a dinosaur in an old-school, dying industry desperately trying to cling to whatever scraps of relevance he can.

    12. Бохолого
      November 27, 2010 at

      Random impressions:
      -Cox is scared and not very bright
      -Mr.Dellow may be a fan, but he’s been far more critical of the Oilers than any other figure making regular public comments
      -listening to the MSM talk about the impact of the Internet on their industry suggests the same conversations ice cutters used to have about that new invention the fridge; it’s great to have bigger saws and better sawdust for the warehouses, but they’re still doomed
      -Mirtle is tall
      -clearly, if Mr. Dellow wants to credibly pronounce on any dimension of hockey, he will need to invest first in a Don Cherry-esque wardrobe and then cultivate some meaningful facial hair
      -and maybe rebrand as D’Leaux or D-Lo.

    13. Matt D
      November 27, 2010 at

      Further observations: the bloggers are better dressed than the print pros, and Mirtle (the pro who was a blogger) is way better dressed than Cox (the pro who hates blogs).

      This rather puts the lie to the ‘pajamas in Mom’s basement’ meme. Cox actually looks like he’s in PJs in a basement. Tyler looks like he owns more than one suit.

      I know lots of this is about threats to established industries and shifting business models and all the rest of it, but from the outside, my impression is that much of it boils down to this:
      Guys who cover sports in the traditional media are kinda dumb. (It’s why they cover sports– they couldn’t hack it doing real news. They don’t cover sports because they’re fans, after all– being a fan is a violation of journalistic ethics.)
      Bloggers are (as a rule, and excluding HF Boards etc…) pretty smart.
      Dumb people are threatened by smart people, particularly when the smart people call them on being dumb.

    14. Pete.
      November 27, 2010 at

      Guys who cover sports in the traditional media are kinda dumb. (It’s why they cover sports– they couldn’t hack it doing real news. They don’t cover sports because they’re fans, after all– being a fan is a violation of journalistic ethics.)
      Bloggers are (as a rule, and excluding HF Boards etc…) pretty smart.
      Dumb people are threatened by smart people, particularly when the smart people call them on being dumb.

      I think there’s some truth to that, especially the last line, but here’s another generalization: most MSM sports journalists, and most bloggers, were likely kinda nerdy and insecure as adolescents, and that’s followed them into their 30s, 40s, whatever, and is the root of a lot of the pissing match. And there are a lot of terrible blogs out there, but nobody reads them (most of them, anyway), so they’re not as obvious and glaring an indictment of bloggers as a whole, as a terrible column in the Star is of the MSM as a whole.

      Speaking just of specifics, however, I think it’s clear that Dellow’s quite a few notches brighter than Cox, and I know I’d much rather go for a beer with Dellow. Cox really doesn’t seem like someone I’d like too well personally.

    15. mclea
      November 27, 2010 at

      I dont see what Cox thinks he stands to gain from getting invovled in this discussion.

    16. Vic Ferrari
      November 27, 2010 at

      Well that’s disappointing. All I get is the Pro-Line advertisement and then a ‘no longer available’ message.

      I don’t know Cox, I’ve probably read stuff he’s written at some point in the past, I don’t recall. In any case, if that video freeze were a caption contest, I’d go with “Local Junior High Gym Teacher Denies Allegations of Sexual Relationship With Student”.

    17. Tyler Dellow
      November 27, 2010 at

      Still works for me Vic. You might want to try it again.

    18. Vic Ferrari
      November 27, 2010 at

      Just tried again, Tyler. The exact wording is “The selected item is not currently available”. Might just be my location. In any case, it matters little.

      Odd how so many print writers have a hate for bloggers. Craigslist and Ebay destroyed that business model, bloggers had very little to do with it.

    19. Coach PB
      November 27, 2010 at

      Vic wins whatever contest we were having for his caption

    20. lowetide
      November 27, 2010 at

      Agreed. Vic wins the vodka.

    21. November 28, 2010 at

      Great post Tyler.

      As someone who shared your Campbell article before mainstream media picked up on it, I was also quite surprised.

      I’m sure some are nervous that they’re no longer controlling the message.

      As a Canucks fan, I’ve always found Adrian Dater to be a horrible writer. I believe he called Canadians Queen worshippers and a whole lot of other ignorant things a few years back when the Canucks and Avs played in the playoffs.

      Furthermore, I can’t recall ever agreeing with anything Cox has offered when he’s been on TSN. I naturally avoid his articles in the Globe for those reasons.

      Keep up the good work!

    22. November 28, 2010 at

      And, as with all writers, if Tyler was wrong or defamatory, he would be open to a lawsuit, as he is well aware. He uses his name, he’s a real person, so all this stuff about there not being consequences for him is baloney.

      Holy shit. Did David Staples really write that? Maybe there is a God.

      Thank you, David. I really appreciated hearing that from someone who works in the MSM.

    23. November 28, 2010 at

      And, as with all writers, if Tyler was wrong or defamatory, he would be open to a lawsuit, as he is well aware. He uses his name, he’s a real person, so all this stuff about there not being consequences for him is baloney.

      Holy shit. Did David Staples really write that? Maybe there is a God.

      Thank you, David. I really appreciated hearing that from someone who works in the MSM.

    24. Adam D
      November 29, 2010 at

      With all due respect, I have to disagree with you Tyler. The best part of the video was when James “The Friendly Giant” Mirtle said “do do”.

    25. November 29, 2010 at

      Just a reminder that though Vic only puts out an album every 3 three years, when he does you can’t stop listening to it:)

    26. David Staples
      November 30, 2010 at

      Andy. I’ve never had any real trouble with any blogger, like you, who uses his real name and is a real person, even when they slam me. I might not like it, but that’s the game, and I play it, too.

      Of course, as we’re seeing with this Nathan Black/Stephen Mandel incident in Edmonton, it’s not always easy to track down anonymous Internet trash-talkers and rumour-mongers.

      I have no time for that kind of thing, but I also try not to give what they say or write a second thought, just file it under “garbage.”

    27. November 30, 2010 at

      When I click your RSS feed it puts up a bunch of garbled text, is the issue on my end?

    28. December 1, 2010 at

      Tyler, that last comment is spam and quite possibly a malware link – never trust a .co.cc domain.

      Also, how dare you take issue with Cox? He’s a RESPECTED JOURNALIST with ETHICS. He’d certainly never question somebody’s person rather than their point, as that would be unethical. Any appearance that he might have done so is just because you lack the finely honed skills that are inherent to having gone to Ryerson PolyTech 30 years ago.

    29. TigerUnderGLass
      December 2, 2010 at

      I love how none of Cox’s *points* are relevant to Tyler or the e-mail story.

      *Tyler Dellow cannot be a good source of information because bloggers don’t use their real names or disclose the details of their personal lives.* Riiiight.

      It feels a bit like it’s 40 years ago and someone is trying to discredit a story because it was written by a woman.

    30. Gerald
      December 2, 2010 at

      it’s beneath anybody who’s in the business to even respond to

      Beneath? Is Mr. Cox actually aware of the esteem in which the media is held by the public (or, more precisely, the lack thereof)?

      I find it a constant source of amusement that many of those in the media (not all, mind you) have some sort of idea of themselves as owning the shine of the real accomplishments of the media, as if they were all Woodward and Bernstein simply because they share the same industry.

      He’s getting closer and closer to that libel letter, Tyler.

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