• Scoring chances for/against: Mar 24th: Det at Edm

    by Dennis • March 24, 2009 • Uncategorized • 9 Comments

    Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 21095

    Team Period Time Note Oilers Opponent  
    EDM 1 15:48 83 10 19 24 35 44 83 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    DET 1 15:30 19 21 35 37 77 89 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    DET 1 14:22 12 21 35 37 77 89 11 24 26 29 40 52 5v5
    DET 1 12:02 10 12 19 24 35 44 11 23 29 51 55 82 5v5
    EDM 1 11:25 PP 27 27 35 37 44 83 89 5 23 29 33 40 5v4
    EDM 1 9:43 PP 12 10 12 19 21 35 77 11 29 51 52 55 5v4
    DET 1 8:40 18 24 34 35 44 51 23 28 29 33 81 93 5v5
    EDM 1 5:02 10 10 19 35 37 77 83 28 29 37 51 52 82 5v5
    DET 1 4:40 10 19 34 35 37 77 5 11 28 29 40 82 5v5
    DET 1 4:17 5 10 13 34 35 43 18 24 29 33 52 96 5v5
    EDM 1 3:21 PP 83 27 35 37 44 83 89 5 13 23 29 93 5v4
    EDM 1 1:39 PP 44 10 27 35 37 44 83 5 13 29 55 5v3
    EDM 1 1:29 PP 37 10 27 35 37 44 83 5 11 13 29 55 5v4
    EDM 1 1:20 PP 27 10 27 35 37 44 83 5 11 13 29 55 5v4
    EDM 1 1:11 PP Goal 37 10 27 35 37 44 83 5 11 13 29 55 5v4
    EDM 2 19:36 19 10 19 24 35 44 83 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    DET 2 18:52 12 21 35 37 77 89 11 23 26 29 40 55 5v5
    DET 2 17:14 10 19 24 35 44 83 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    EDM 2 16:22 12 21 35 37 77 89 11 23 26 29 40 55 5v5
    DET 2 12:38 PP 10 18 24 35 44 5 13 28 29 40 96 4v5
    DET 2 9:42 13 27 34 35 37 77 13 29 51 52 55 93 5v5
    DET 2 9:00 10 19 35 37 77 83 5 13 28 29 93 96 5v5
    DET 2 8:29 19 21 24 35 44 89 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    DET 2 8:27 19 21 24 35 44 89 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    EDM 2 6:35 34 13 34 35 37 77 78 18 23 29 33 52 82 5v5
    DET 2 5:26 PP 10 24 35 44 51 5 13 28 29 40 96 4v5
    DET 2 5:17 PP 18 19 35 37 77 26 29 37 55 81 93 4v5
    DET 2 5:09 PP 18 19 35 37 77 26 29 37 55 81 93 4v5
    DET 2 5:00 PP 10 35 37 51 77 26 29 37 55 81 93 4v5
    DET 2 4:30 PP 10 35 37 51 77 26 29 37 55 81 93 4v5
    EDM 2 4:10 13 10 13 35 37 43 78 11 23 26 29 52 81 5v5
    DET 2 2:40 12 24 27 35 44 89 5 13 28 29 40 96 5v5
    DET 2 0:20 PP 10 24 35 77 5 28 29 81 93 3v4
    DET 2 0:11 PP 10 24 35 77 5 28 29 81 93 3v4
    DET 3 19:01 PP 5 19 35 37 43 5 28 29 40 81 93 4v5
    DET 3 18:57 PP 5 19 35 37 43 5 28 29 40 81 93 4v5
    DET 3 18:42 PP 18 35 37 51 77 29 37 40 55 81 93 4v5
    DET 3 18:07 19 24 35 44 51 83 11 23 26 29 51 55 5v5
    EDM 3 17:23 24 12 21 24 35 44 89 5 26 28 29 33 37 5v5
    DET 3 15:56 18 24 27 35 44 51 13 23 29 55 81 93 5v5
    DET 3 15:51 18 24 27 35 44 51 13 23 29 55 81 93 5v5
    DET 3 8:45 Goal 10 19 24 35 37 83 13 28 29 52 93 96 5v5
    EDM 3 7:20 34 5 13 34 35 43 78 23 26 29 37 51 52 5v5
    EDM 3 4:07 19 10 19 24 35 44 83 5 13 28 29 81 93 5v5
    DET 3 2:17 12 21 24 35 44 89 13 28 29 55 93 96 5v5
    DET 3 1:58 Goal 10 19 24 35 44 83 13 28 29 55 81 93 5v5
    DET 3 1:32 10 19 35 37 77 83 5 11 28 29 40 81 5v5
    DET 3 1:26 Goal 12 21 24 35 77 89 5 13 29 51 55 93 5v5
    EDM 3 1:03 89 12 21 34 44 77 89 13 23 29 51 55 93 5v5
    EDM 3 1:02 89 12 21 34 44 77 89 13 23 29 51 55 93 5v5
    EDM 3 1:00 Goal 21 12 21 34 44 77 89 13 23 29 51 55 93 5v5
    # Player EV PP SH
    5 L. SMID 16:07 1 1 0:00 0 0 0:27 0 2
    10 S. HORCOFF 15:36 5 8 2:13 4 0 4:15 0 6
    12 R. NILSSON 12:47 5 6 1:32 1 0 0:00 0 0
    13 A. COGLIANO 9:37 3 2 0:00 0 0 0:00 0 0
    18 E. MOREAU 9:00 0 3 0:00 0 0 1:47 0 4
    19 P. O’SULLIVAN 16:15 4 11 0:52 1 0 0:47 0 4
    21 A. KOTALIK 12:45 5 7 0:45 1 0 0:00 0 0
    24 S. STAIOS 18:15 4 13 0:00 0 0 4:01 0 4
    27 D. PENNER 9:24 0 4 2:48 5 0 0:00 0 0
    34 F. PISANI 10:35 5 4 0:00 0 0 1:42 0 0
    35 D. ROLOSON 46:31 9 21 4:33 6 0 6:59 0 11
    37 D. GREBESHKOV 14:58 4 8 3:48 5 0 2:52 0 7
    43 J. STRUDWICK 13:36 2 1 0:00 0 0 0:27 0 2
    44 S. SOURAY 17:01 7 11 3:39 5 0 2:48 0 2
    51 K. BRODZIAK 11:22 0 4 0:00 0 0 3:47 0 4
    77 T. GILBERT 15:03 6 8 0:54 1 0 3:44 0 7
    78 M. POULIOT 6:38 3 0 0:00 0 0 0:00 0 0
    83 A. HEMSKY 14:08 4 6 3:01 5 0 0:00 0 0
    89 S. GAGNER 12:04 5 8 3:13 2 0 0:00 0 0
    Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
    1 9 6 2 6 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
    2 4 15 4 7 0 0 0 0 0 8 0 0
    3 6 11 6 8 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0
    4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Totals 19 32 12 21 6 0 1 0 0 11 0 0

    9 Responses to Scoring chances for/against: Mar 24th: Det at Edm

    1. March 25, 2009 at

      I know most folks who’ll check this would read the game threads over at LT’s but I thought I’d copy and paste this here as well. Just a couple of notes: you’ll have to check the the play-by-play option from NHL.com if you want to fact-check my musings about the way the lines rolled towards the end of the game. Also, this sorta ties in with what Ty posted a few games back about MacT’s choices as forwards with the net empty vs the Blue Jackets.

      I cut my ties with MacT after he kept rolling out the 4th line in the third period in Mtl and then last night here’s another oversight.

      Here’s the way he rolled lines just before 89 takes the draw previous to the 3-1 goal.

      I’ll use the numbers of the centres to denote the lines and there was a stop in play with 3:35 with 12-51-21 being on the ice at the time of the whistle. So, here goes:

      13 comes out followed by 89 and then 89 makes a bad line change on the Hossa goal because if you watch the replay you’ll see Horc just jump on the ice and not have time to stickcheck Hossa before his shot attempt.

      So, we’ve got a 13-89-10 order on the float. MacT leaves 10 on for the post-goal faceoff and then 89 comes back but a 34 footer by Zetterberg stops the play and at this point you Should bring in 51 considering he’s your second best faceoff option.

      But we don’t and the draw’s won clean by Datsyuk and there’s another goal. Now, could 51 have lost the draw in a likewise fashion?

      Sure he could have.

      But slotting him instead of 89 would’ve given you a greater chance of winning that draw and it’s about playing the percentages.

      So, you know, that’s a sin of omission right there just as it was when MacT kept rolling out the 4th line for d zone draws during the third period of the game we were leading in Mtl. I’ve always watched closely for this stuff and I don’t think I’ve seen it as much in previous years as I have in this one.

    2. March 25, 2009 at

      So what’s the deal Dennis? Is he giving the finger to Lowe? Does he just not give a shit? Its one thing to wonder about the whole development thing but we’re talking ten games left here.

      What’s your take?

    3. March 25, 2009 at

      Pat: I’ll get around to this the long way ( don’t I always) but it was at least until say the ’00 or ’01 seasons before I started paying attention to matchups.

      I mention this because there was an own zone faceoff later in a period early in the ’02 season where macT left Comrie out against Modano and you can guess what happened and how I reacted.

      So, we know now that the Oil were sizing him up to see what role he could play before they paid him.

      Now, coming to this season, just the other day MacT spoke about how much 89′s plus/minus had improved so, I dunno, maybe he believed in his heart that it was right to let him take that draw. Or maybe he’s just too burned out to pay attention to all the little details like he used to.

      My thing is that we’ve missed the playoffs so many times, why should we be afraid of change at the head coaching position? I know Brodizak isn’t Yannick Perrault but he Is a better faceoff option than 89 and he was rested so not using him means, IMO, MacT wasn’t doing everything he Could have done.

    4. RiversQ
      March 26, 2009 at

      I’ll play Devil’s Advocate and just give my impression of the Oilers’ perspective.

      If you looked at this team at the beginning of the year, it seemed they had virtually no shot at being a legit club and probably were going to be an 8-10 spot team. However, what you did have was a coach in place that had a whack of young talented forwards trending in the right direction and progressing very nicely. Gagner in particular has been trending up in the underlying numbers pretty much since MacT has had him.

      So if you’re building to a Cup, instead of a First Round Miracle, then why not stick to the development plan? Why not trust the guy that took Hemsky and Horcoff this far and certainly appears to be doing the same with Gagner and possibly Cogliano?

      Unless of course you believe that playoff experience really trumps all else. One would think that Lowe/Tambellini would buy into that given the Oiler Legacy and those bullshit NYI stories from the 80′s that Tyler alluded to last week, but maybe he is a pragmatist…

      Maybe he does know that playoffs are small sample sizes and players are always a year older and more experienced from one year to the next. It’s easy to get fooled into thinking one playoff round a year before made a difference to success the following year.

      And just like it’s impossible to prove that Gagner should have gone to the NHL as an 18yr old, it’s likewise impossible to prove that he should play limited sheltered minutes down the stretch to hurry up and get dusted off by the Sharks/Wings/Flames this year.

      The notion that management is trying to have their cake – playing Gagner, Cogs, etc as desired for their benefit – and then eat it too, by riding Roloson into the ground and making the deadline deals. It doesn’t seem that crazy does it?

      I’m not saying I buy all of this, and it certainly doesn’t explain all the dubious decisions that MacT has made or let him off the hook. But I certainly don’t see much value to the franchise longterm in making the playoffs this year.

      The money would be great, but that’s an EIG move.

    5. March 26, 2009 at

      Riv: I’ve floated that concept many times and that’s exactly how I think they’re trying to play this.

      It just gets tiring after so fucking long.

    6. March 26, 2009 at

      Dennis: I notice you are pounding Sam pretty hard for the bad line change and absolving Horcoff who changed after “the fly” had flown past. Fair enough. But … I also notice you are pounding MacT pretty hard for using the fourth line late against Montreal. I seem to be the only person who has noticed, or at least mentioned, that that late tying goal in the Bell Centre was the result of a Bad change by your man Marc Pouliot, who hung Stortini (who came on for Poo, much too late to have any invovlement in the play) and his linemates out to dry in that situation.

      I just don’t find your arguments to be very consistent here.

    7. March 26, 2009 at

      Bruce and I had the exact same response to everyone mentioning the Montreal Screw Job: Watch the third period goal against highlight.

      Pouliot was awful, half-assed pressure against the puck carrier who has the puck at the Edmonton side of the red line on the far wing… and then wandering off for a line change.

    8. March 26, 2009 at

      Bruce and Quain: I honestly didn’t notice if 78 made a bad change in Mtl.

      I’m not pounding 89, I’m just saying he made a bad change. I was mentioning it in the point that the 10 line had once again finished at a minus.

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