
I was recently in Chicago and Milwaukee, on a quick road trip with a friend to see Wrigley Field and Miller Park. Outside of Wrigley, there’s a statue of Harry Carey. How do you end up with a statue honouring a broadcaster as your most significant tribute to a person related to the club in the area of the stadium?
It’s easy. You alternate between bad decisions and ones aimed at maximizing short term revenue for years and years that result in you not having anyone worthy of such an honour since Ernie Banks (a statue for Ron Santo would be a bit much). The Cubs are a money making machine, more concerned with making decisions that maximize their returns in the short term than with doing what’s necessary to build a team that can succeed in the long term. With the Oilers decision to sign Sheldon Souray, I think that it’s getting increasingly difficult for anyone to maintain the position that the Oilers aren’t willing to make decisions that maximize their possibilities for this year at the expense of their opportunities in the future. This might be defensible if they were maximizing their chances at a Stanley Cup but they’re not. They’re maximizing their chances at a first round playoff appearance and a five game loss to Detroit.
I first wrote about why I’d be leery of signing Sheldon Souray at the behest of The Score, back on February 2, 2007. While that was in the context of Montreal taking a run at re-signing him, my comments then pretty much reflect my thinking now:
If there’s one thing that we know about NHL GMs, it’s that every year, there are a couple of guys who are thrilled to buy at the top of the market. Heck, there are some who apparently operate completely autonomously from any concept of the market - see John Ferguson Jr. trading an excellent prospect and giving a three year deal to a goalie coming off a season in which he was arguably the worst in the NHL. Sheldon Souray has been kissed by the gods this year - nothing in his past indicates that this is his real level of performance. To buy now is to buy at the absolute top of the Souray market. For a team that has a disturbingly high number of guys who could be nicknamed “Wasted Money”, they can’t afford to have Souray making what he’ll make and producing like a merely good offensive defenceman.
I’m going to explain in greater detail why the Souray signing is such a bad idea, but first, I want to point out something that I wrote here back on December 27, 2006.
Watching TSN tonight, they had a poll on who should be the leader for the Jack Adams at the moment. Guy Carbonneau was their leader. It’s a ridiculous choice - I’m sure that this will irritate Canadiens fans but they’re simply not that good. If Sheldon Souray and Saku Koivu are both true talent 8.0 PPP/60 players, I’m Doug MacLean. They aren’t. Sad for Habs fans, but true.
When I wrote that, the Canadiens were 22-9-5. Despite their fine record, they had a razor thin margin for error, as their goal differential came nowhere near supporting their record. Their absurd PP numbers (along with a fantastic PK) were part of that - when I wrote that, they were scoring 9.5 PPG/60. They went 20-25-1 for the rest of the season, getting less lucky at turning their goal differential into wins and stopped getting the results that they had on the PP and PK. Their PP fell to scoring 8.6 PPG/60, a very good number to be sure, but given the rest of the flaws that the team had, not enough to cover up for it. Souray fell from 3.8 PPG/60 and 5.0 PPA/60 through that game to 2.3 PPG/60 and 4.0 PPA/60. Now that second set of numbers is fantastic as well - if he does that in Edmonton, I’ll be considerably happier with his signing but I think that it’s nuts to expect that. I don’t bring up comment on the Habs to toot my own horn but to make a simple point - when a team or player is doing something that completely defies all logic and their own history, as with the Canadiens success on the PP and PK and their temporary immunity from the laws of goal differential, predicting that they’ll go in the tank is like shooting fish in a barrel. Keep that in mind for when I discuss Souray’s PP numbers below.
Starting with ES, here’s Souray over the past few years:

As a fun* contrast, here are Jason Smith’s numbers at ES the past few years:

(i screwed up Smith’s 3 year S/60. Obviously, it’s somewhere in the range of half Souray’s. Otherwise though, the resemblance is uncanny.)
Keep in mind, with the exception of last year, Smith’s been on the ice against the opposition’s elite - everything that I’ve seen suggest that Souray, while not hidden, wasn’t seeing that kind of competition. The offence of Jason Smith with somewhat lesser defensive skills against weaker opposition AND at 2.5 times the price? It’s like a bad joke.
Another fun* thing to consider, when eyeballing those ES- numbers are the ES save percentages: Edmonton’s over the past 3 years was .909; Montreal’s? .922. That’s a large difference over three years - Souray had a considerable edge. Assuming for the sake of argument that the ES save percentage when Souray was on the ice was .922, the difference between that and a .909 ES save percentage is 25 goals. That’s a 0.5 ESG/60 swing in a bad way. While Montreal’s forwards may have been ES zeroes, Edmonton’s, by and large, aren’t much better at the moment, particularly after you get past the top 5 or 6 guys. Reasonable expectations would have the goaltending being worse in Edmonton than it was in Montreal. Reading some of the talk about this move, I’ve seen some reference to Souray filling Smyth’s role, in terms of being the local boy making $5MM+. Lupul might be a better reference point - the local boy making way too much money and posting an astonishingly bad ES- number.
What about the PP? That’s where Souray really gets it done, right? Right?

Well sort of. Remember what I said above about things that are out of step with career norms and common sense as to what’s sustainable? How predicting regression there is like shooting fish in a barrel? That pretty much sums up 2006-07 on the PP for Sheldon Souray. The Habs PP production with him on the ice was up by about 50%. It’s all shooting percentage though - look at his shooting percentage in 06-07 on the PP and compare it to his previous years. The Habs had an unreal year shooting percentage wise on the PP as well - 15.9% in a league where 13.5% was the average, which put them second to San Jose. Edmonton was at 13%. In 2005-06, when he had far more normal numbers for a good PP defenceman, Montreal shot 13.5% on the PP. Those extra 2.5 shots going into the net out of 100 add up to an awful lot of points being available - over 540 shots, like Montreal took last year, it’s an extra 18 or 19 goals.
These three seasons I’ve shown are really the only three worth mentioning with Souray - prior to 2003-04, he had all of 160.05 PP minutes over 5 years, so I can’t really go further back and mine some more data on his PP trend. Given that 17% is a clearly unsustainable PP shooting percentage for a defenceman, that he has no appreciable playmaking skill at ES, that his numbers spiked with an increase in shooting percentage and that 20 of his 29 PP assists were second assists, I’m pretty comfortable in saying that people shouldn’t focus on his peak season as being a good indicator of what he really brings to the PP. If he hits 4.0 PPP/60 next year, with 1.5 PPG/60, that’s probably a pretty good season.
Of course, I don’t know that that distinguishes him all that much from what Jarrett Stoll, Dick Tarnstrom and Joni Pitkanen could accomplish. I’m not going to run down Souray’s shot or the fact that he’s a goal scorer on the PP, if not one of the level that he achieved this year. I’m simply suggesting that when you’re a team that’s going to struggle to make the playoffs, pissing away $27MM for five years on a guy who’s good but not great on the PP doesn’t make a hell of a lot of sense. Doing so when you’ve got other options available just doesn’t make any sense - unless you’re desperately trying to ensure that you’re within sniffing distance of a playoff spot into March so that you can sell the future in May.
PK numbers:

PK numbers shed the least light of all the numbers, I think because they’re so goalie dependent - Edmonton’s penalty killing went from meh to fantastic after Roloson was plugged in for Conkannen last year. Souray’s numbers are nothing to complain about but with that said, he’s been fortunate to play in front of fantastic goaltending on the PK for a few years now in MTL. If past history is any predictor here, he’ll be in front of good PK goaltending in Edmonton and likely have respectable numbers but the Oilers are already paying Roloson that - Souray would be more of a passive beneficiary if I’m right about the goaltender dictating a lot of the PK results.
I understand the argument that Souray is likely going to be a better option than Tom Gilbert, or whoever else now gets bumped out of the lineup and into the seventh spot. I’d suggest though, that at some point over the next five years, the Oilers are going to wish that they had that money available to spend, either on a free agent of their own, of somebody else’s or a trade opportunity. They’re going to look at what success, in the loosest sense of the word, they’ve enjoyed with Souray - by the way, if you can’t be elite with Ryan Smyth eating up that chunk of your payroll, how in god’s name can you do it with Sheldon Souray - and regret that they can’t trade in the near playoff miss of 2007-08 for better odds of making a real run in two or three years. As for the money that they’re spending this year on him, if they couldn’t find a better way to spend it than Sheldon Souray, I’d rather that they kept their powder dry and had Souray’s dollars available for the inevitable opportunities to improve the team that will arise over the next five years.
I should also add that I understand the justification that the Oilers need to do something for the fans given all the noise that they’ve made about fixing the team over the past few months. Listening to Bob Stauffer’s show today, I don’t think it can be denied that the fans in Edmonton are reacting in a generally positive manner to this move. At some point though, in November or December, when the PP is in the middle of the league at best, the Oilers are struggling to stay in the playoff hunt and Souray is getting bombed at ES…people are going to start noticing that the team isn’t really much better. I know that there are a lot of Edmontonians who think that people should stop harping on the Pronger and Smyth deals - the reason that it’s hard for me to do that, and presumably for others as well is that the fallout for those deals continues to land. If Lowe isn’t under huge pressure to make something happen, he doesn’t make this deal. If the Oilers don’t deal Pronger for crap, they would have likely been closer to the playoffs at deadline time, if only by virtue of the fact that Joffrey Lupul wouldn’t have been killing the team. If they weren’t so far out of it, Smyth wouldn’t have been traded. If Smyth hadn’t been traded, the ugly finish to the season likely wouldn’t have been so bad and Lowe wouldn’t feel a gun to his head to make something happen. I’d like to stop talking about the Pronger and Smyth trades at some point but I can’t help but think that they’re still relevant in that you can’t understand what the team is doing now without pointing to those trades. I can’t see that changing until Lowe no longer runs the team and there’s a terrifying statue of Rod Phillips next to Gretzky outside of Rexall.
*by “fun”, I mean “horribly depressing”
You nailed it, as usual. I admit I’m a little surprised at how this ’splash’ signing seems to have calmed the masses. What’s additionally odd, to me at least, is that our D was one area that Lowe had already improved prior to 2pm or so yesterday. So why Souray? To me, this is pure PR. Lowe had to come through on his big promise to be active on the UFA market. To be honest, I think that Lowe’s made an infinitely better UFA move this year by grabbing Garon.
The stars will NOT align for Souray this year. I predict that he’ll be about as offesnively productive as Bergeron on the island.
Pat - good call, but Bergeron has a much better track record of putting up points at ES. I’m thinking MAB outscores Souray, while putting up a +17 or something silly.
It does bear pointing out that Souray places 505/676 in terms quality of linemates, playing significant amounts of time with Koivu, Kovalev, and Ryder against medium-level competition (299/676). My question is, who is driving the bus in terms of +/-? I mean, I’m not going to argue that Souray is really solid defensively with bad luck (even with Aebischer playing mediocre in net last year), but I do think you have to assume that his +/- will improve no matter what the Oilers do. It’s almost impossible for it not to, short of sticking him out there with three or four rookies. I would also be curious what the actual SV% is when he was on the ice.
It’s almost impossible for it not to, short of sticking him out there with three or four rookies.
Have you seen our roster?
Yeah, I don’t get it - why make this move if not only for PR reasons? When the roster already has a ton of ES question marks, and you’ve already added 2 LH PP defensemen, why of all guys do you pickup Souray? A Souray was the last thing this team needed. Now, with him here, if Greene doesn’t get traded, I’ll be firmly convinced Lowe hasn’t a clue. I think can we all agree this guy compares to Matt, only LH and getting paid 4.3 extra/yr for his dubious PP abilities.
It’s all shooting percentage though
Ryan Smyth, 2006-07 Oilers: 19.3%. No mention of this anytime you’ve been blowing up Lowe over this trade. Funny how you leave out certain facts when it suits you.
I’m not saying Souray is going to sustain last years production, but it is not unreasonable for Souray to replace parts of both Smyth and Smith’s impact.
Like Smith, Souray has mobility issues, was a minus player before joining the Oilers, is solid on the PK, and started his career with the Devils as a defensive specialist. Isn’t one of Lowe’s strengths evaluating veteran defencemen?
I’m willing to bet Souray doesn’t come close to matching his -28 from last year because the Habs were as bad as the Oilers (who employed Sebastien Bisalion and Dany Syvret) at even strength last year. You can argue over who drove those results in Mtl, but even with all the rookies, Souray will probably play behind better defensive forwards in Edmonton than Ryder, Koivu and Kovalev. The Oilers have also pretty much have doubled the amount of NHL defencemen on their roster from the end of last season.
Souray also replaces part of Smyth’s PP production (and unsustainable shooting percentage). He fits right in with the Oiler’s tee it up from the blue-line PP strategy as well, so if there was one team Souray could reproduce last years results on, its this one.
Ryan Smyth, 2006-07 Oilers: 19.3%. No mention of this anytime you’ve been blowing up Lowe over this trade. Funny how you leave out certain facts when it suits you.
Your criticism would be a hell of a lot more compelling if I hadn’t published Smyth’s shooting percentage numbers within the past week.
His PP shooting percentage looks to be nothing out of the ordinary for a player like him. Granted his ES shooting percentage was up a bit, but then his shots were down, presumably because the Oilers couldn’t get the puck out of their own end to save their life and because he was playing with guys who didn’t give a shit about keeping it in the opponent’s end of the ice for a large part of the season. Would you rather I hammered Lowe for that?
In addition - Souray does nothing to replace Smyth’s PP production. He merely upgrades Stoll or Bergeron on the point (which, ffs, was already achieved with the addition of Pitkanen and Tarnstrom). There’s a distinct possibility that both those guys put up better PPP/60 next season than Souray anyway.
The one difference I can see with Souray is that he’s a left handed shooter, whereas Stoll is a righty. Tarnstrom never struck me as much of a shooter and I don’t know enough about Pitkanen to say one way or another. Off the top of my head, I’d guess that the main PP next year features Pitkanen on the left point and Souray on the right point - that puts two guys with passing skills (Hemsky on the half boards) in position to play catch until they can slide the pass across to Souray for the one timer.
He’d better shoot 17% again on the PP.
Smith is a bargain at this year’s $1.976 million, but I think it’s a fair bet to say he’s going to be getting a raise next summer. Does he get Scott Hannan-type money ($4.5 million) as an UFA??? If so, that puts him into Souray’s ball park in terms of the cap hit.
So, as a Huddy pupil, can Souray come close to replacing Smith’s toughness, shot blocking skill, PK play and ES play? I dunno, but the one thing we can say for certain is that Smith was never going to be the pp option that Souray is.
I think the best way to look at this is:
Lupul + Smith for Pitkanen + Souray + Sanderson. Oilers pay more money over the next couple of years, but since nobody else was lining up for an Oiler paycheque, not like that’s a big deal anyhow. Trick is to front load Pitkanen’s contract at around the same cap hit as Ryan Whitney’s. In fact, take those numbers and inverse them to 5.5, 5.0, 4.5, 3.5, 3.0.
Thing is, Oilers are doomed this season by virtue of having to play 32 games against the NW Division. All five teams from any one division are never going to make the playoffs in the same year. Way I see it, Oil have one chance: Trap like hell at ES and hope to beat other teams with superior ST. This plays to the strengths of Roli and Garon, and our PK has been very good for a number of seasons. Lowe’s job is to fix the pp.
Souray’s left-handed cannon should help…
Have you seen our roster?
Well, yes, but I remain stubbornly optimistic about our forwards for no good reason whatsoever, and more importantly, trust that the Blender will quickly realize that Souray should not be playing with or against skill forwards. Maybe a bit delusional, but it’s either that, or stash my jersey for the next three years. Besides…dude, Kovalev. That alone’s gotta drag your +/- down at least -10 from replacement level.
Your criticism would be a hell of a lot more compelling if I hadn’t published Smyth’s shooting percentage numbers within the past week.
No discussion of his 19.3% being as much of an outlier as Souray’s. But, I guess you did post it.
Granted his ES shooting percentage was up a bit
Apply Smyth’s 05-06 shooting percentage at EV to his 06-07 shots, and you get 4, or 22% fewer goals. Or maybe because it’s been trending upward from 6.3% in 03-04, you expect it to be even higher next year?
but then his shots were down
Total 06/07 shots/60 (from your post) for Smyth were 8.8, and 9.0 in 05/06. So did Smyth play “with guys who didn’t give a shit about keeping it in the opponent’s end of the ice for a large part of the season” in 05-06? With the Oilers, Smyth averaged 3.03 Shots per game, with the Islanders he averaged 2.72. I guess the Islanders must have been worse than the Oilers.
“Your criticism would be a hell of a lot more compelling” if it wasn’t using a 2% difference to account for a 22% difference.
Smyth has about double the PP shooting percentage of Iginla and Thornton. Now is that because he is a better shooter, or his role on the PP leads to higher percentage shots? I haven’t watched enough Habs games to comment, but it is possible their coaching staff made feeding Souray high percentage shots the focal point of their strategy? Do you think Smyth will continue to pot every 4th goal on the Avs PP, which is centered around Sakic?
I haven’t watched enough Habs games to comment, but it is possible their coaching staff made feeding Souray high percentage shots the focal point of their strategy?
To the point of having him play forward?
Great post Tyler.
I am much more confident in his PK skills than you but the way you examined the PP results is outstanding.
Here’s to hoping Huddy/Lowe use him properly.
Great stuff, Ty, you’re on a fucking roll these days.
I like it when the bloggers and HF lemmings get all over me about the 44 and 94 deals. Like you said, how can you NOT keep going back to those two moves as the ones that took a team was always at least hovering around the playoffs to one that’s a longshot to even able to hover anymore. That stuff still matters and for all the ostriches, we’ll be waiting for them when they take their heads out of the respective sand:D
Here’s my thing on the Souray deal, if it was just for 2 years then I really wouldn’t care, I really wouldn’t. No one else will come here and it’s nice to see the EIG at least threaten a 45 mill payroll:D The NTC for the first three years is disappointing, though, but I guess he could waive it if the right deal came along, right? Hopefully he replicates the PP numbers and he’s less awful at ES and we can move him next summer.
In the meantime I’ll really let myself get upset if this move’s the precursor for some Horcoff salary dumping.
The good thing is the signing bonuses/front loaded contract might make Souray tradeable for the last two years of the contract, depending on how he performs and the way the market/cap goes.
I like it when the bloggers and HF lemmings get all over me about the 44 and 94 deals.
The 44 deal was an unmitigated disaster. Lowe deserves some credit though for getting Pitkanen for 1 year of Jason Smith, while somehow managing to dump Zoolander’s negative trade value at the same time. I mean, Holmgren only got 2 assets, not 5
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The Smyth trade was by far a superior return. Nilsson, O’Marra and Plante for 18 + 5 playoff games of Smyth. Lowe then used the dollars he was offering Smyth to Souray.
Whether or not Lowe should have held onto 94 is another kettle of fish. I’m too lazy to go out and find any numbers myself, so I just poach off of Tyler. The last 3 seasons has seen Smyth’s shots/60 decrease at EV while his shooting percentage has steadily gone up. Maybe Smyth is already in decline, and shooting percentage was masking the symptom, or as he gets older, he’s actually becoming a better shooter and picks his places more carefully? I honestly don’t know which is the case, but the second interpretation seems fraught with peril.
He’s been money on the Oilers PP, a consistent 25% over the last 3 years! A story I’ll be following is will the Avs change their PP to take advantage of Smyth’s screening/ tipping prowess, or if they don’t, how will Smyth do on a PP that focuses more on the down low play?
Anyways, since the Pronger fiasco:
Upgrade Markkanen with Garon in goal.
Defence: Replace Tjarnqvist, Hejda, Smith and Bergeron with Pitkanen, Tarnstrom, Grebeshkov and Souray. A definite upgrade in terms of “puck-moving”, and I’m willing to give Huddy & Lowe the benefit of the doubt when it comes to assessing defensive talent and ability.
I notice YKOil already made the point about quality of team mates. Superficially, I see a lot in common with Smith and Souray: not quick, not a great puck mover, great on the PK, tough as nails, more than willing to drop the gloves, and great at defending the front of the net. Give Souray Horcoff and Pisani in front of him this year with Pitkanen (1st pairing) or with Smid (2nd pairing) to move the puck up ice and I think we’ll all be surprised at how his +/- turns out. I think Pitkanen can cover the Tjarnqvist/ Hejda minutes at EV, and Tarnstrom and/or Grebehskov should be able to do what Bergeron did with the soft minutes. Greene and Smid will be better this year too.
Forwards: Lose Smyth, Sykora, Lupul, Winchester, Peterson. Changing Sanderson for Lupul seems to be at least an even swap. I think a healthy Moreau will actually be an EV upgrade on Sykora (who’s PP contributions have been replaced by the D), and I’m pretty bullish on Pouliot establishing himself as a reliable forward this season. Winchester and Peterson can be replaced by rookies. No obvious replacement for Smyth though.
An interesting idea that I haven’t seen posted anywhere else; say Stoll is fully recovered, and the glimpse we got of him before the injury was the real deal, could Horcoff shift to LW and play him with 83 and 10?
Horcoff - Stoll - Hemsky
Torres - Pouliot - Pisani
Moreau - Reasoner - Thoresen
Sanderson - Nilsson - Brodziak
Pitkanen - Staios
Souray - Smid
Tarnstrom - Greene
Grebeshkov
Roloson
Garon
I can almost stomach that. Sign a guy like Johnson for the RW and move Pisani to LW and all of a sudden, its a very competitive Oilers team. Or a combination of potentially interesting flotsam (Roy, Gilbert, Schremp, Jacques), with a young defense man with some solid NHL experience (Smid, Greene) should be more than enough to shake something out of the NYR in a salary dump. I don’t think Lowe is done with the forwards quite yet.
Doogie2K:
Souray was -19 when he was not playing with Kovalev at 5v5. Kovy was -5 when not playing with Souray. Looks to me like Souray was the guy driving the results here (right over the cliff).
If you’re a fan of the Souray trade I’d cling to the notion that Sheldon was simply really unfortuante last year in terms of EV results. That may very well explain a lot of those numbers.
Plus, he was 8th in Norris voting this season. Seriously.
could Horcoff shift to LW and play him with 83 and 10?
That should read 16. I don’t think Horc is getting paid to play with himself…
Taternuts:
I don’t think Stoll has the speed to go toe to toe with the likes of Sakic. Probably fine for D zone draws, but not the rest IMO. And I shudder to think what happens to the rest of those lines against Smyth/Hejduk/Stastny/Brunette or however Q decides to run them at the Oilers this season (somehow I doubt he’ll be up all night developing an elaborate game plan).
And still with the Avalanche, I don’t see how there is any way to find line combinations that will result in the Oilers outchancing that roster. I would be shocked if the Oil outchance the Avs more than once all season, maybe twice. And the Avalanche aren’t exactly a powerhouse.
Roloson and Garon both need to be absolutely stellar. The goalposts need to help this team too. The PP has to be great, PK too. They need to catch the fluky bounces at times when it really matters (i.e. beat their goal diff). They need good health for themselves and significant injury problems for their divisional rivals. And that’s just to make the playoffs.
Moer sensibly, we should be talking about Tavares right now.
If you’re a fan of the Souray trade I’d cling to the notion that Sheldon was simply really unfortuante last year in terms of EV results.
And the year before, too.
Moer sensibly, we should be talking about Tavares right now.
Worse, I think we’re in the nether regions, where there’s no Tavares because the Oilers are too “good” and no real hope of the playoffs after December, or earlier if you’re being truthful.
Vic,
I think Horc and Hemsky could help make up for Stoll’s speed deficiency. I don’t actually expect to see that line play together, and am still hoping for one more tough minute eater on forward.
You may be underestimating what a Torres - Pouliot - Pisani line could handle. Torres and Pisani have been very good at even strength. I will admit, the 4th line scares the shit out of me.
I doubt the Oilers are in the Tavares sweepstakes. Phoenix is still Phoenix, I doubt Chicago or Columbus will be leaps and bounds better, Crawford will force feed Cloutier starts (and losses), and who knows how far Nashville falls?
In terms of the NW, the only solid team I see is Calgary. Colorado is probably 2nd best. I expect Vancouver to pay back some of their goal differential debt from last year. Minnesota employs two goaltenders with a combined 56 NHL games on their resumes - sound familiar? The Oilers probably still need help, but by no means is it a hopeless situation.
Good discussion. I’m a little spooked by how often I have seen Souray do the pylon thing on some highlight-reel goals (-against) the past couple of years, he seems real susceptible one-on-one. But he is a solid special teams player, which isn’t reflected in that horrendous minus figure. Lord knows Oilers need help on the PP, and his hard, accurate shot would look good on any powerplay. He seems to have fully recovered from that career-threatening wrist injury, and from what I’ve seen he’s a character guy.
Pitkanen is a good gamble, esp. when compared to the youthful underachiever we unloaded in exchange. While his confidence waned this past season on a truly dreadful Flyer club, I have seen Joni absolutely dominate out there, rushing wide up the LW boards, keeping his options open to dish it off or unload a heavy wrist shot from the left circle. We’ll see how long it takes for MacT to rein him in about five feet over the blueline, which in my view will be a mistake. This guy needs to carry the puck to be at his best.
I’m kinds of perplexed about Dick Tarnstrom, who came here as a seventh wheel in 2006, was let go last year when we really could have used him, and is now brought back as a seventh wheel behind at least two offensive LH defencemen. I like Tarnstrom, he’s a smart, subtle puck mover who’ll sneak in on the old backdoor play when the opportunity arises. He was great on the PP in Pittsburgh, but he won’t see that kind of ice here behind (presumably) Souray and Pitkanen. Just as he didn’t behind Pronger and Spacek, two LH blueliners with big minute tendencies. A strange spot to put a PP specialist.
I really, really like the Garon signing, his numbers have been great everywhere except L.A., which is perennially injury-riddled and always defensively suspect. His save % was .918 or better each of his last four years in the minors, and better than that his last two years as a backup in Montreal. Hopefully MacT will play him more than once a month and he’ll get a chance to prove himself. He could well be another Roli (or Chris Mason), a guy who takes years to establish himself but just keeps on improving right into his 30s. The good news is we don’t have to wait two or three years to find out — he should be ready now (or never), and at a very reasonable price. This signing restored a little of my dwindling faith in the Oiler brass.
That said, I guess the less said about Thomas Vanek, the better.
I seriously believe that Souray will be the proverbial whipping boy by January.
There is either a trade in the works or Lowe is smoking crack.
Lets review - he has Pitkanen, Smid, Tarnstrom and Grebeshkov. Grebs has a one way contract and two of these other guys were brought in in the past couple of weeks. And then you go out and pick up another LH Dman.
There is no plan here.
This is so much Fergie Jr. in T.O. I was out last night and one of the guys I was out with, a Leafs’ fan, put it well - flailing about. Fergie has two top notch goaltending prospects last summer. He could sign Legace for a year or two as a stop gap to see how they develop. Instead he trades one of them for Raycroft and then, like Lowe with Lupul, signs Raycroft to a totally unnecessary extension. A year later he trades for another goalie and almost immediately signs him to an extension as well.
I’m not a big fan of Souray. Someone described him as a poor man’s McCabe. That’s pretty accurate, I’d say. But if you have him on your radar why sign Tarnstrom?
Another result of this is they likely end up losing Roy on the waiver wire. He’s not Bobby Orr but the kid is a useful player. No room for him now.
8th in the Norris, Vic? Jesus.
bruce - agreed on Pitkanen - I think this kid is going to be terrific
I’m afraid Tyler may be right - these guys may win the race for 11th place, which is absolutely useless. Here’s hoping Murray and Hitchcock can make things happen. I think at least St. Louis finishes ahead of the Oilers.
I seriously believe that Souray will be the proverbial whipping boy by January.
Yep, agreed. It really should be Lowe though.
But if you have him on your radar why sign Tarnstrom?
The scariest (and, IMO, most likely to be true) answer is that Souray wasn’t on the radar two weeks ago.
Mirtle tag badly.
Souray was -19 when he was not playing with Kovalev at 5v5. Kovy was -5 when not playing with Souray. Looks to me like Souray was the guy driving the results here (right over the cliff).
Wow. I would have put good money on Kovalev doing the driving here. Now I’m really curious about the splits with Koivu and Ryder (since, now that I think on it, they didn’t play with Kovalev so much; Ryder was their normal second winger).
If you’re a fan of the Souray trade I’d cling to the notion that Sheldon was simply really unfortuante last year in terms of EV results. That may very well explain a lot of those numbers.
Clinging, pending evidence that last year was someone else’s fault.
Plus, he was 8th in Norris voting this season. Seriously.
Yes, but aren’t the sub-5th place votes usually a place for comic relief, anyway?
I don’t know if Souray will be the whipping boy though. As long as he scores a few goals and punches a couple of guys out, I think the fans love him. After all he came home to play, did he not?
My guess is its Horcoff or someone else who is absolutely indispenseable to the team who gets run out of town. Its the guys who aren’t flashy (but completely effective) who get the flak. See Smith, Jason. How many clowns claimed that Laddy Smid was the better player last season? Christ, one guy did so on a thread at LT’s site just the other day.
Not. A. Clue.
A thought about Smyths shooting percentage. A few posts have asked the question whether smyth has become a better shooter or not. I think there was a stretch of about 3 games last year where smyth had like 5 goals but only had 3 shots or something (im talking about when he had his 2 minute hatrick).
His % is good because he is crazy good at tipping pucks. I would say one of the best in the league.
It’s kind of interesting watching a death spiral from the beginning. Butterfly wings causing hurricanes and, hey! presto! Smyth turns into Souray.
Fuck I’m depressed.
“I’m kinds of perplexed about Dick Tarnstrom, who came here as a seventh wheel in 2006, was let go last year when we really could have used him, and is now brought back as a seventh”
Signing Tarnstrom was to get one in the hand.
The two in the bush - Pitkanen & Souray - are a bonus.
So to speak.
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