• Scoiring Chances G1: Oct 7th vs Flames

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    Scoring Chances for NHL Game Number 20005

    Team Period Time Note EDM Opponent  
    EDM 1 19:32 27 6 26 27 35 83 89 3 12 13 28 34 40 5v5
    EDM 1 15:41 4 2 4 10 14 35 49 4 5 8 10 17 34 5v5
    EDM 1 13:31 27 2 27 35 49 83 89 3 12 13 28 34 40 5v5
    EDM 1 13:07 4 2 4 10 14 35 49 7 8 10 17 34 66 5v5
    EDM 1 10:56 Goal PP 67 6 13 26 35 67 91 5 7 20 28 34   5v4
    EDM 1 9:56 10 4 5 10 35 77 83 4 5 10 12 13 34 5v5
    EDM 1 9:36 14 4 6 10 14 26 35 3 8 10 17 28 34 5v5
    EDM 1 7:54 PP 89 5 27 35 77 83 89 5 7 17 20 34   5v4
    EDM 1 5:48 83 6 27 35 77 83 89 3 8 15 28 34 40 5v5
    CGY 1 4:14 SH post 4 6 10 14 26 35 4 20 28 34 40   5v4
    EDM 1 2:55 PP 13 6 13 26 35 67 91 4 20 28 34 44   5v4
    EDM 1 1:39 14 2 4 10 14 35 49 7 12 13 17 34 66 5v5
    CGY 2 19:31 PP 6 16 28 35 49   4 5 12 13 34 40 4v5
    CGY 2 19:20 PP 6 16 28 35 49   4 5 12 13 34 40 4v5
    EDM 2 18:58 10 4 5 10 14 35 77 3 8 10 17 28 34 5v5
    CGY 2 15:25   4 5 10 14 35 77 4 5 10 12 13 34 5v5
    CGY 2 15:08   4 5 10 14 35 77 4 5 10 12 13 34 5v5
    EDM 2 12:55 4 2 4 10 14 35 49 4 5 12 13 34 40 5v5
    CGY 2 9:09   4 6 10 14 35 77 4 7 12 13 34 40 5v5
    EDM 2 8:40 14 4 5 6 10 14 35 7 12 13 34 40 66 5v5
    CGY 2 6:43   2 16 26 28 33 35 7 34 41 42 44 66 5v5
    CGY 2 5:15 PP 6 35 77 83 89   4 5 12 13 34 40 4v5
    CGY 2 3:54 PP 2 5 10 14 35   3 8 10 17 34 66 4v5
    EDM 2 2:23 PP 77 27 35 49 77 83 89 4 5 10 12 13 34 5v5
    EDM 2 2:22 PP 89 27 35 49 77 83 89 4 5 10 12 13 34 5v5
    EDM 2 0:58 PP 13 13 26 35 67 77 91 5 11 28 34 44   5v4
    CGY 3 18:49 PP 2 10 14 35 49   3 8 10 17 34 66 4v5
    EDM 3 18:36 Goal SH 14 2 10 14 35 49   3 8 10 17 34 66 4v5
    EDM 3 17:18 Goal 83 5 27 35 77 83 89 4 5 34 41 42 44 5v5
    CGY 3 16:56   2 13 35 49 67 91 7 12 13 34 40 66 5v5
    EDM 3 16:49 13 2 13 35 49 67 91 7 12 13 34 40 66 5v5
    CGY 3 16:38   2 16 35 49 67 91 7 12 13 34 40 66 5v5
    CGY 3 15:28   5 10 26 28 33 35 4 5 17 34 41 42 5v5
    EDM 3 14:56 Goal PP 14 4 6 10 14 26 35 4 20 28 34 40   5v4
    CGY 3 9:13   2 13 27 35 49 91 4 5 12 13 34 40 5v5
    EDM 3 7:33 91 6 13 26 28 35 91 4 5 11 15 20 34 5v5
    EDM 3 6:24 83 6 16 35 77 83 91 4 5 34 41 42 44 5v5
    # Player EV PP SH
    2 J. VANDERMEER 14:20 6 4 0:00 0 0 1:50 1 2
    4 T. HALL 13:19 8 3 3:01 1 1 0:39 0 0
    5 L. SMID 14:41 4 3 1:40 1 0 2:41 0 1
    6 R. WHITNEY 15:28 6 1 5:23 3 1 3:47 0 3
    10 S. HORCOFF 12:20 8 4 2:35 1 1 3:10 1 2
    13 A. COGLIANO 11:59 2 2 2:49 3 0 0:17 0 0
    14 J. EBERLE 11:19 7 3 2:39 1 1 2:13 1 2
    16 C. FRASER 9:39 1 2 0:06 0 0 2:40 0 2
    26 K. FOSTER 13:47 3 2 5:16 4 1 0:18 0 0
    27 D. PENNER 11:33 6 1 2:15 1 0 0:00 0 0
    28 R. JONES 9:19 1 2 0:00 0 0 2:42 0 2
    33 S. MACINTYRE 5:32 0 2 0:00 0 0 0:00 0 0
    35 N. KHABIBULIN 44:14 17 8 7:52 5 1 7:45 1 5
    49 T. PECKHAM 14:48 8 3 0:00 0 0 2:46 1 3
    67 G. BRULE 9:01 1 2 2:49 3 0 0:09 0 0
    77 T. GILBERT 15:31 7 3 3:25 2 0 4:08 0 1
    83 A. HEMSKY 12:40 8 0 2:24 1 0 2:02 0 1
    89 S. GAGNER 12:25 6 0 2:28 1 0 1:38 0 1
    91 M. PAAJARVI 13:14 3 3 2:30 3 0 0:00 0 0
    Period Totals EV PP 5v3 PP SH 5v3 SH
    1 11 1 8 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
    2 6 8 5 4 1 0 0 0 0 4 0 0
    3 6 5 4 4 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
    4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Totals 23 14 17 8 5 1 0 0 1 5 0 0

    21 Responses to Scoiring Chances G1: Oct 7th vs Flames

    1. October 7, 2010 at

      Lines, defense pairings and netminders:

      27-89-83
      4-10-14
      91-13-67
      28-16-33

      5-26
      6-77
      2-49

      Khabby-Dubnyk

    2. Will
      October 8, 2010 at

      Thanks again for taking this up Dennis. Was interested to hear the CBC guys saw the chances in the 2nd as weighted much heavier for the Flames (something like 4:9…?) But just from what I saw, I’d lean more toward your numbers. The Flames had lots of shots but not many of them were holy hell.

      Nice to see the top two lines dominate. Looked like Renney was running the Gagner line against Iginla…? Not sure 89 can win enough puck battles yet against the toughs, but if they can at least saw off the other team’s heavies, that 4-10-14 line should have some fun time against the softs.

      Still fumbling about a bit in our own zone with the puck, but they looked a lot calmer/less panicky than last year. Hopefully that alone will help cut down on a few chances against per game. Only been a handful of games, but a lot less back passing/ring around the boards and a lot more chips to the low forward or stretch passes to the high guy. 2 looked awkward on a couple of plays, but his passing and shooting are better than I expected. He’s definitely a step up from 43. 26 is underwhelming me so far.

    3. PDO
      October 8, 2010 at

      Think I’ve asked this before, but is there anyway we could get the Calgary totals below the Oiler totals? Would be nice to see who killed us/who we killed on any given night.

    4. David Staples
      October 8, 2010 at

      Might just be more fun to count up scoring chances this year, eh. I had them at 27-15 for Oilers.

    5. dawgbone
      October 8, 2010 at

      You are more charitable than I would have been on the Hemsky goal.

      Shots from that angle shouldn’t go in the net (minus a one timer).

    6. dawgbone
      October 8, 2010 at

      Scoring chances are going to be impacted by who is viewing them… some people just see things differently.

      The good thing is Dennis does most of them so it’s always his view point as the barometer.

      If he’s too charitable or too harsh in general, it will reflect throughout the season and not really impact what this tells us.

      If you had one guy doing it, for each game it would lose a bit of it’s value.

    7. October 8, 2010 at

      Think I’ve asked this before, but is there anyway we could get the Calgary totals below the Oiler totals? Would be nice to see who killed us/who we killed on any given night.

      We’re within range of each other Dennis – I had the game 24-12 in favor of the Oil. Here’s the link PDO:

      http://flamesnation.ca/2010/10/7/flames-scoring-chances-game-1-versus-edm

    8. October 8, 2010 at

      DB: Yeah, I struggle with every goal being a scoring chance – because we know they’re not – so I should probably just make a note down below in the comments section when that happens and someone can’t figure out why every goal isn’t detailed in the SC section.

      Will: Yeah, I think Sutter got his #12 out against 10′s line and others once the second period came a little bit more but it started out with 89 taking on that unit. He’s got a tonne of help in the regard though with 27/89 being guys we know can hold their weight.

      Brian: The only thing you need to know from the Flames perspective is they were horrendous when 12 wasn’t on the ice:D

       

      I just kent’s numbers and it was nice to see their #28 getting owned:) One thing I didn’t see mentioned anywhere else is that in the second period Reghier lined up 83 but 83 ended up being the one that stayed on his feet. Later on 83 outbattled Iginla for a puck. Finally, Mila Kunis showed up at my doot.

       

      OK, everything else implausible was happening so I threw the last one in there;)

    9. corykg
      October 8, 2010 at

      @dawgbone: RE: Hemsky’s goal. Iginla used to score 8-10 goals from that area each year, and before him Naslund. A dagger through the heart whenever it was against the Oil.

    10. corykg
      October 8, 2010 at

      Please allow me to include the caveat that Hemsky doesn’t have the slap shot that either of those guys possess so I don’t expect to see more of those goals (but his twister wrister is a beaut).

    11. Vic Ferrari
      October 8, 2010 at

      Kent

      I know that the Flames are missing some key guys to injury right now, and it’s just one game … but damn, they looked terrible.

      I’m going to start calling Tanguay-Jokinen-Iginla the Decline Line. I hope it catches on.

    12. Vic Ferrari
      October 8, 2010 at

      Impressive numbers. There were very few games all last year where the Oilers owned that many of the chances.

      Agreed also with the folks above who saw the Gagner line being matched hard against Iggy’s line early, and really outplaying them. They’ll need that to continue.

      Just generally the Oiler forwards were really good about coming back deep in their own end to support the D. Hopefully that holds up.

      I thought Hemsky was terrific on the PK as well. Didn’t expect that.

      There are going to be a lot of bad nights this year, but that was a hell of a start. Beautiful goal by Eberle, just generally far fewer blonde moments and cheating for offense from the youngsters than I was expecting.

    13. Coach PB
      October 8, 2010 at

      Agreed also with the folks above who saw the Gagner line being matched hard against Iggy’s line early, and really outplaying them. They’ll need that to continue.

      Then it was Sutter doing the matching:

      http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20102011/TH020005.HTM

    14. Vic Ferrari
      October 8, 2010 at

      Derek

      Whether it was Sutter or Renney doing the matching, or both … the fact remains that if you load up Penner and Hemsky on one line they are going to end up facing a tonne of the other team’s best forwards and D.

      I think we both know that if they roll with tha lineup into DET, that line will see at least two, probably three, of Z, Datsyuk and Lidstrom all night. Except for maybe the occasional shift after a PP expires. This whether Renney wants it or not.

      They’ll live and die with that line most nights, I suspect.

    15. October 8, 2010 at

      I think the Oilers would be better served with 91 riding shotgun on a secondary tough min line with 10-14 but let’s face it that’s not what this season is about in the least.

      And I think 91′s gonna get lost in the counting stats if he keeps playing with 13-67. 67 had a PPG and won some draws but the Flames aren’t exactly three lines deep and Renney had the last change and they still didn’t get anything done.

      I know it’s a small sample for the ’11 season but does anything think that line’s gonna hum?

    16. October 8, 2010 at

      I know that the Flames are missing some key guys to injury right now, and it’s just one game … but damn, they looked terrible.

      I’m going to start calling Tanguay-Jokinen-Iginla the Decline Line. I hope it catches on.

      It’s funny Vic, but last summer I stood up and was waving my arms about Jokinen and how he wasn’t who the Flames seemed to think he was.

      This summer, I did the same with Iginla (to be fair to Jarome, he used to be that guy but all evidence suggests he isn’t anymore.). And yet here we are with Jokinen and Iginla together again, the re-hash of an obviously failed experiement, with Langkow on the shelf a $6M in dollars sitting in the press box.

      Your nickname is a fair one.

    17. Will
      October 8, 2010 at

      Dennis – was thinking about Tyler’s post on forwards scoring 40+ pts this year, and also came to the conclusion that Paajarvi’s boxcars are going to lag compared to the other rookies if he’s on that line. 91 really seems to have taken this back-checking thing to heart, so he’s going to give up some points he might get by otherwise cheating up-ice for offense. Plus the play just dies with Cogliano so much, right from the faceoff even, and despite all their speed, none of those three strike me as being very good at winning the puck back from the other team. And like 13, 91 relies too much on straight ahead speed to try and beat the defenders. The only way the line scores a lot is if 91 mixes it up and dangles a bit more (and he has shown that ability) and sets up Brule for some shots.

    18. PDO
      October 8, 2010 at

      Awesome Kent, thanks.

      Dennis:

      About the only good thing I have to say about 91-67-13 is that they have a lot of individual speed. 67 and 13 both have horrible on ice vision though.

      Funny thing is, if you put 67 on RW and a legitmate C from the Langkow tree, I think it’d work.

    19. October 8, 2010 at

      Nice way to start the year for the Oilers are for you Dennis. Did the Oilers every outchance by this margin in a game last year? That’s a very nice number. The most encouraging thing for me was the PK looking pretty decent for most of the night. It will be interesting to see who ends up sticking on that unit over the long haul.

    20. October 8, 2010 at

      It was interesting to see different guys being used on the PK – and there really wasn’t a lot of guys to pick from because we didn’t pick up any PK-specific guys – but I found the best thing was how many times guys got in lanes and/or tipped shots.

      I remember a few times when it looked like cgy would have a great PP opp but then someone would get in the way.

      Nice to see for a change.

    21. dawgbone
      October 12, 2010 at

      Nice way to start the year for the Oilers are for you Dennis. Did the Oilers every outchance by this margin in a game last year?

      I think they ran up a big one on Detroit of all teams last year in December.

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